[Braconinae] Braconidae a l'abdomen Orange

[congo]

en cherchant un peu dans la galerie,pour mettre un nom sur un Braconidae que j'ai photographié aujourd'hui,je suis tombé sur ce sujet,attiré que je fut par la ressemblance entre ma bestiole et celle de Rapha....
marrant ce sujet d'il y a 3 ans,quand on voit les progrés accomplis depuis par les 2 intervenants...
alors,du nouveau pour cette bestiole...??
ça pourrait me donner une piste pour le mien....

[Rapha1]

Salut Congo...j'ai surtout honte pour mes fautes d'orthographes !

Comme Bilule, un Braconinae je peux maintenant le dire car j'en ai un sous le coude qui ressemble beaucoup à ça et que j'ai identifié avec les clés

[congo]

orthographe sans S....
ok,on change le titre

[Bilule]

Rapha, quelles clés utilises-tu?

[Rapha1]

Achterberg C. Van 1990. Illustrated key to the subfamilies of the Holarctic Braconidae

Bien entendu, on ne peut pas voir les critères sur photo, il faut récolter.

[Bilule]

Ah d'accord. Je pensais que tu parlais de clés pour les Braconinae.

[Paskal]

Pour les Braconinae du vieux monde (sic), il y a la clé de Quicke. Sinon j'ai aussi sous le coude la clé des genres de Braco du nouveau monde (re_sic) dont les Braconinae, elle est bien pratique.

[Sord]

Bonjour.

...Je n'ai jamais vu les deux parties de la gaine de l'ovipositeur sur un Ichneumonoidea vivant, mais le peu que j'ai vu est insignifiant.

Qu'entends-tu par insignifiant ?
J'avais bien apprécié ton intervention sur ce sujet [Pimplinae] Pimplinae vendéen ? et même divisée en deux, chaque moitié semblerait équivalente au stylet lui-même, non ?

[Sord]

Salut Congo.

...alors,du nouveau pour cette bestiole...??
ça pourrait me donner une piste pour le mien....

Si comme Raphaël tu penches pour Cardiochilinae, voilà les caractères qu'il doit présenter, bon courage.
Toutefois, je lui trouve l'ovipositeur plutôt long pour appartenir à cette sous-famille.
Intkey est vraiment bien et finalement simple d'utilisation, juste le moteur à charger et installer, mais hyper pointu. Tout pour toi Raphaël !

CARDIOCHILINAE
Occipital carina completely absent.
Occipital carina (dorsally) not applicable.
Distance from posterior margin of eye to occipital carina (greater or less than diameter of eye) not applicable.
Medial margin of eye not notched.
Antenna longer, extending past mesonotum.
Ventral margin of clypeus and dorsal margin of mandibles not forming a border around an ovoid cavity.
Malar space less than eye height.
Occipital carina (position ventrally) not applicable.
Mandible twisted and flat, ventral tooth (v) on same horizontal plane and posterior to dorsal tooth (d).
Mandible with 1 or 2 teeth.
Mandibles meeting when closed.
Teeth of mandible facing medially when mandibles closed.
Antenna with more than 18 flagellomeres.
Anterior surface of labrum mostly setose.
Anterior surface of labrum flat or convex.
Propleuron lacking longitudinal carina.
Epicnemial carina present; or absent.
Mesopleuron lacking transverse carina anterad mid coxae.
Transscutal articulation present as a line, or absent.
Posterior scutellar depression present; or absent.
Propodeum lacking lateral spine.
Propodeal spiracle positioned in anterior 3rd; or in medial or posterior 3rd.
Hind coxal cavities sharing common opening with metasomal cavity.
Metasoma attached directly above hind coxal cavities.
Scutellar sulcus with longitudinal carina or crenulae.
Scutellar disc not margined by carina laterally or posteriorly.
Pronotum lacking granular sculpture.
Apical tarsomere (5) of foreleg shorter than tarsomeres 2, 3, and 4 combined.
Mid tibia with preapical spines; or lacking preapical spines.
Basitarsomere of hind leg distinctly longer than all other hind tarsomeres combined; or subequal to or shorter than all other hind tarsomeres combined.
Hind tibia with apical spines or pegs; or lacking apical spines and pegs.
Hind basitarsomere lacking longitudinal comb.
Anterior surface of fore tibia lacking preapical spines.
Mid tibia lacking apical spines.
Hind trochantellus lacking spines.
Medial spur of hind tibia shorter than half length of basitarsus; or as long as or longer than half length of basitarsus.
1RS vein of forewing present.
1RS vein of forewing not broken by a wing fold.
Second submarginal cell of forewing quadrangular.
RS vein of forewing not complete to wing margin as tubular vein.
Last abscissa of RS vein of forewing not sharply curved anterad.
Junction of 2nd and 3rd abscissa of RS vein of forewing forming obtuse angle.
Wings present and extending past tergum 1.
Forewing (dimensions) not applicable.
Second submarginal cell length greater than height.
Crossvein r-m of forewing present but mostly not tubular.
Crossvein 1m-cu of forewing present.
Apical abscissa of RS vein of forewing absent near wing margin or complete to wing margin.
Apical abscissa of RS vein of forewing curving away from anterior margin and pigmented or tubular.
Apex of RS vein of forewing directed toward wing margin near apex of wing.
Veins M and RS of forewing not meeting distally.
Vein (RS+M)b of forewing shorter than 1RS, or (RS+M)b absent and 1RS present; or longer than 1RS, or 1RS absent and (RS+M)b present.
Vein A of forewing not curving anterad to meet vein CU.
R crossvein of forewing present.
Crossvein r-m of forewing present.
M+Cu vein of forewing at least partly tubular in basal half.
(RS+M)a vein of forewing complete and tubular throughout length.
(RS+M)b vein of forewing present.
M vein of forewing not curved towards wing apex.
2m-cu crossvein of forewing absent.
2cu-a crossvein of forewing present.
2cu-a crossvein of forewing not tubular.
Number of anal cross veins of forewing zero; or one.
Number of functional hamuli 4–7.
Crossvein r of hind wing present; or absent.
1r-m crossvein of hind wing tubular.
2r-m crossvein of hind wing absent.
1M vein of hind wing less than 2 times length of M+CU vein.
CUb vein of hind wing absent.
Crossvein cu-a of hind wing present and complete or almost so.
Vein RS of hind wing present as a tubular or pigmented vein.
Crossvein m-cu of hind wing absent.
Hind wing lacking swollen vein.
2A vein of hind wing absent.
Terga 1 and 2 mutually articulating.
Spiracle of tergum 1 on lateral tergite.
Spiracle of tergum 1 in anterior 3rd of segment; or in medial 3rd of segment.
Dorsope absent.
Median longitudinal pair of carinae on tergum 1 absent or, if present, converging on the midline.
Median tergite of tergum 1 less than 4 times longer than apical width.
Median tergite 1 more than 2.5 times wider at posterior margin than at narrowest point; or less than 2.5 times wider at posterior margin than at narrowest point.
Metasomal median tergites 1 to 3 well sclerotized.
Median tergite 2 lacking elevated transverse area anteriorly.
Median tergite 2 lacking median longitudinal carina.
Median tergite 2 smooth.
Spiracle of tergum 2 on lateral tergite.
Metasomal terga 1-3 not forming a carapace covering all following terga.
Spiracle of metasomal segment 7 present.
Spiracle of metasomal segment 8 absent.
Ovipositor shorter than half the length of the metasoma; or longer than half the length of the metasoma.
Host attacked Lepidoptera.
Endoparasitoid or ectoparasitoid endoparasitoid.
Distribution North American temperate; or tropical; or South American temperate.

[Gilles Jardinier]

Salut Jérémie,
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